February 6th, 2012

Patriotism… CGL X.

14th August – Pakistan’s 59th Independence Day. I had made time and logged in to update on the day, and what it meant to me this year. But I got sucked into a discussion on another blog. To Jalali Baba’s chagrin, I am putting my comments on the discussion up here as an update, as Comment gone lengthy. Psuedo-posting you might accuse me of, but you will not find me guilty of not updating in over a month. You might want to read the original post to make head or toe of my comments below though. Here goes:

I wrote my earlier comment when I was angry and offended by the post. Anger seldom, if ever, brings out any positives. I seem to have left a lot of wrong impressions, which another_sister-Irhabiyah has built her response on. I feel I will have left an important task incomplete if I do not clarify my position here, as an Azad kashmiri, as well as a very proud Pakistani.

You ask me what I am proud of? Well, there you have me. Pakistan has done no justice to its potential, and Pakistanis as a nation are a far cry from what our leaders had envisaged us to be at the time of creation of Pakistan. Nonetheless, I fail to understand you when you ask me to shed my pride in my country, or to let somebody propogate misinformation about the ground realities of the country. Patriotism is a natural instinct instilled by Allah in all human beings. All cultures, all people and all history have always condoned patriotism, and the word for one devoid of patriotism in any language is less than flattering. It is a lot like marriage. Allah has made marriage the sacred bond between man and woman, and Islamic or not, every culture has always had its own version of marriage, and a relationship without a marriage is still looked down upon – at least in most of the ‘uncivilized’ world. I pray for all Muslims to stay uncivilized enough to uphold the sanctity of marriage as well as patriotism.

I maintain that a Muslim devoid of patriotism is incomplete. Without patriotism, a Muslim will gravitate to the nearest point where he can practice Islam freely, with patriotism he will make his country a place where he can practice Islam freely. There is a big difference between the two, if you can se it. It is understood that we as Muslims should always be helping out our Muslim brethren when in need, but the fact remains that when our own brother, our own flesh and blood, needs our help our motivation to help him out is more pronounced, more direct and the results more profound. Similarly, as Muslims we are driven to establish the word of Allah, but as Muslims from a certain area we will be more highly driven to establish the word of Allah in our own land, in our own people. This is precisely why people came from afar, embraced Islam at the hand of the Prophet Mohammad (SAW), and went back to their villages, countries and regions to spread the word of Allah. There is also the example of the Mohajireen who looked forward to conquering Makkah, mainly because it housed the house of Allah, but also because it was their homeland. Lets not forget that Ka’aba was not our qibla initially, and it was declared so because the Prophet wished in his heart for it to be the qibla. Denying patriotism is unnatural, and not having patriotism un-Islamic, and if you disagree, let us agree to disagree.

I am not sure if I can go about disecting your response just as you did mine, but if you agree to drop the presumption that I condone what Busharraf ( I liked the name coined by sister Irhabiyah) and his regime have ushered into our media, and the culture they have helped bring in, perhaps I can limit my response to the matter closer to my heart – the relationship of Kashmiris with their fellow-Pakistanis.

It is wrong of you to accuse the Kashmiris of using their ‘Kashmiri card’, because I know we use no such thing. I resent your implication also that I used my Kashmiri card at any point. The fact is that all road-blocks require you to present your identity card, and the policemen would often chat with me nicely after noticing that the address on my PAKISTAN ID CARD stated that I were a Kashmiri, ask me a question or two about what my city was like, and let me pass. Perhaps, you are misguided by your zeal to find fault here.

You have quoted a few examples to infer that Kashmiris and Pakistanis have a love-hate relationship, and I remember you had also remarked that five years is a small time to spend in Lahore and Karachi to make any objective conclusions about the relationship we Kashmiris enjoy with our fellow-Pakistanis. I am from Mirpur Azad Kashmir, an over-whelming majority of the Kashmiris that reside in UK are from my city, an over-whelming majority of my own family resides in the UK, and I have a very fair idea of how well those people are informed about how Pakistan treats Azad kashmir, and how Azad Kashmiris are treated by other Pakistanis. Please do not get me started on them. It is all very well making those inferences and as you call it, ‘mockery’ of Pakistan as well as their ‘azaadi’ for these people, ask them the very basic question about the history of Kashmir and Pakistan and watch them stammer. I know of many whose main intercation with Pakistanis in Pakistan is at Islamabad airport, and whose only exposure to Pakistan is limited to the road from Pindi airport to Dina mod. Ignorance cannot be a premise for informed decisions or opinions. I am not as presumptious as you think I am after five years in Lahore and sometime in Karachi. By the way, I have also spent a couple of years in Mirpur in my childhood, which I do not count towards much, but I visit my folks frequently enough to know just what my fellow Kashmiris are talking about.

The idea behind Pakistan, the ideology of Pakistan is the two nation theory i.e. that there were two nations in the sub-continent. Muslims and Non-Muslims. Pakistan was created for the Muslims of the sub-continent, it was to be made of Muslim Majority areas – this is the ideology that binds – the last time we forgot this binding factor, our country was halved. If we take your premise of Kashmir belongs to Kashmiris, pretty soon we would be talking of Punjab belongs to Punjabis, Sind to Sindhis, Balochistan to Balochis and Frontier to Pathans. Our enemies, within and outside, have already exploited such divisive thinking to create unrest in our country – the last thing we need is well meaning attempts like yours. Oh, and in case you had not noticed, Kashmir has little chance of survival on its own. There are much fewer resources in this land, untless you propose we cut down all the wood, or promote tourism. Cutting the wood has obvious eco-disastrous implications, and tourism for whatever dollars it might bring in carries a cultural price-tag, we Kashmiri Muslims can ill-afford to pay.

God forbid, even if there were to be a separate Kashmir, just how long do you think would it take for our enemies to stoke the fires of Sunni-Shia fueds to split it further. In unity lies strength Madam, and as Muslims we need to be uniting our people, not advocating divisions.

To your examples of apathy in our Kashmiri brethren, I would like to propose you read my uplifting experience with my mostly non Kashmiri Pakistani brethren in the relief effort http://www.knicq.com/archives/hope-for-recovery-cgl-viii/. I also remember ending up on a Kashmiri community on the net, and finding Mirpuris talking about how Pakistan Govt. despite its nuclear arsenal had failed to get aid to the affected areas in the immediate aftermath of the earthquake. My question to him was simple: Did he expect Pakistan Govt. to nuke the weather? The point being that sometimes people from our part of the world are prone to unrealistic expectations, owing to their simplicity and sometimes to their ignorance. it does not mean that we take their word on what defines the strong bonds between Kashmiris and their fellow-Pakistanis. You will notice I make an effort to state that Pakistanis are my fellow countrymen. I hope next time around you wish to deduce anything about this relationship, you can factor this in too.

AS for the Quaid “dude” – where ‘dude’ is a word I took and take exception to, I know of no-one who uses the word dude to describe national heroes, let alone the father of a nation – I maintain that he deserves the respect from all Muslims for his endeavours, because he toiled for the cause of millions of Muslims, and as you rightly said, he was an Ismaili himself, which makes it all the more important that he command our respect because he was not even accepted as a Muslim by some of the Muslims he worked for the betterment of. He commands our respect – just as do Mohammad Bin Qasim, Tariq Bin Ziyad, Yousuf Bin Tashfeen, Salahuddin Ayoubi, King Faisal of Saudi Arabia, and all other heroes of the Islamic World who dedicated themselves to the cause of Islam and Muslims. Even if you do not respect him, give me this courtesy, respect my hero when you talk of him to me.

Last but not the least, my comment that I know Irhabiyah as a good Muslimah was not to elicit an apology from her. You think me too base. My comment was a clarification for why I was trying to be not too harsh.

It is gracious of Irhabiyah to offer that apology though, I humbly accept it. I offer my apology too for flying off the handle like that. I am an Azad Kashmiri, who wakes up every morning and chooses to be a Pakistani – and in that I think me twice as Pakistani as any other Pakistani, because I am not born a Pakistani like them.

Sure there is a lot wrong with Pakistan of today, but mayoosi gunah hai, and I am determined that better sense will prevail one day. I pray to Allah that Pakistan realizes its potential as the fortress of Islam, and I will do my small part in making it the Islamic state it was meant to be. If finally all else fails, and all hope is lost, perhaps I will consider hijra, move my family out of there, and I pray to Allah that such a day may never ever dawn. Short of that, I am a Pakistani, and proud of it – like it or not.

6 Responses to 'Patriotism… CGL X.'

  1. 1Aysh
    August 16th, 2006 at 8:58 pm

    Assalamalikum Knicq,

    I had written this comment on ‘another blog’ before I realised that it ought to be put here.

    I am not a pakistani or a kashmiri (azad or otherwise) and yet, I felt that Irhabiyah was wrong in what she said. I respect the fact that we all have our own opinions but that was a bit disrespectful in more ways than one.

    I remember watching ARY on 14th and laughing that you guys can have so much Junoon and wishing we could have atleast half of it. There were kids (American Pakis) saying “Pakistan Rocks” and ‘Dil dil pakistan’ (with an accent) LOL!

    Patriotism is not a feeling that you are born with. YOu love your country because you know the reason why you love it and you know why it is better than any country in the world. Those kids know that ‘their’ pakistan is better than the country they are living in.

    On my way back home, I met this guy on the plane. I told him that I was happy to be back in India and somewhere during our conversation I used the term, “My India”. The guy remarks, ” you like India??” I was shocked and thought it better to not argue with an ‘ignorant fool’.

    My point, I think that most youngsters today don’t have that sense of being. It is as if you have forgotten who you are. Especially when it comes to families living abroad. The kids, especially, are brought up in such a way that most of them seem to be losing their identity. They don’t care whether they are Pakistani, Indian or whatever. They don’t even care for Islam. It is like being confused as to who you are or what you are. Your parents are pakis but you were born in America. When you go to Pakistan, people call you american and when you are in America, you are known as a paki. It is as if they don’t want to be termed ‘desi’ or counted as a minority. WHat else can you expect from confused kids, knicq? They’ll ridicule anything taht they think is not ‘cool’.

    It’s the same case when it comes to religion. Girls dont want to wear hijabs or jilbabs in western countries. They don’t want to stand-out as ‘muslims’. Abb is per kya kahien.

    Your comment ^ was Wow! I admire your patriotism Bhai. And… I agree with every word you say.

    :)

    It’s been long time since I came here on your blog…and… I missed it.

    Oh btw, my blog is gone…for now atleast. I finally decided that it’s better to remove it rather than feel guilty of not posting.:)

    Wassalam


  2. 2crayon
    August 17th, 2006 at 1:38 pm

    wow Knicq bhai, you certainly held your own.
    You know i value your opinions, but im finding it hard to get my head around the ‘non patriotism’ being ‘unIslamic’ though…


  3. 3Sanchez
    August 19th, 2006 at 5:42 pm

    Knicq Bhai, much dua and much much much much JazakAllahuKheir and some more dua and then some more dua for coming to our rescue after the accident. People like you renew my faith in humanity. JazakAllah.

    Also, please welcome http://www.raigzaar.blogspot.com, she’s an Urdu and Eng Lit Pakistani Buff and my next-door neighbor and a good friend. I told her you were the person to ask for some good literary folks. Quick, where’s Mavish?


  4. 4The Sane One
    August 20th, 2006 at 5:16 am

    I have roots in Mirpur and have never understood why people hold so many predujices against people from Kashmir. In the UK Mirpuris have a reputation for being uneducated and unrefined, despite the fact that they make up 70% of the UK Pakistani population, have set up the majority of mosques in this country..in fact the majority of medics in my dept are Mirpuri! And mashallah are very nice + down to earth people. Where has this attitude come from? Why this snobbery? I just dont get it. Maybe you can shed some light.


  5. 5knicq
    August 22nd, 2006 at 8:58 pm

    I am sorry folks for not having replied to these comments earlier. Better late than never though…:)

    Lets start one by one….

    Aysh: Thanks Sis. for your visit and your comment. You have hit upon a very important issue that Muslim immigrants to the non-Muslim countries face… the issue of identity crisis. The quest for identity is an ordeal most of the second generation emigrant kids must go through. The outcome of this quest is as varied as are the inputs in an individual’s life. It ranges from one extreme of totally westernized (and totally stereo-typed in our literature and media) “Yo!” kids; whose ignorance about their parents’ roots, and disdain for all things that connect them to those roots is visible in their scrunched noses, and holier than thou attitude when they come visiting, to the other extreme where the kids have absolute disdain for all things in the country their parents chose to immigrate to, and have a utopian picture of what life is like in their parents’ home country/region. Extremes are seldom correct, and therefore the intelligent amongst both parties learn to alter their view of who they are, and what their identity is.

    It is the former lot that you have spoken about in your comment, and it is the latter that I have seen more of, and to which, loosely, the sisters at another blog belong, and to which I had belonged as a teenager when I had gone home after a decade in the UAE.

    Musharraf’s Pakistan is not the Pakistan I had gone to in 1993. We were a far more Islamic looking nation then than we are today, and yet I was dumb-struck by what I had seen. The land of the pure was not as pure as I had imagined it to be. The people were a lot less corrupt, a lot more prosperous, a lot less ignorant and enormously more sincere and friendlier than I had been told to expect. They were also a lot more ‘modern’ and ‘fashionable’ than I had expected people to be in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. When I put modern and fashionale in commmas, I mean less modest for want of a better word.

    I was in for a cultural shock, and I gather the sisters at another blog got a bigger shock than I had got so many years ago. This is perhaps the reason for their great disappointment in their own country, and their failure to understand what we as Muslims have to celebrate in Pakistan. At the rate Musharraf’s Pakistan is aping influences from across the border, it is only a matter of time before more and more good Muslims disappointedly wonder what the point of creation of a separate homeland was, and more and more ignorant ‘modernists’ and ‘liberals’ start asking the same fundamental qustion for a totally different set of reasons. May Allah shield our country from such times and may He bless us with a leadership that is sincere to the cause of the country, and finds a route midway between Zia’s extremist Pakistan and Musharraf’s extremist Pakistan.

    My point of difference with the sisters was and is on how they define the bonds between Kashmiri Pakistanis and non-Kashmiri Pakistanis. I have yet to meet a Pakistani who hates Azad Kashmiris, and I have met a lot more Pakistanis than they have, simply because I have been meeting them for ten more years than they have been. My other point of difference is their utopian view of what life is like in Syria – the country they both seem to have decided to make Hijra to. They will not find everything right in Syria if they found everything wrong with Pakistan. This is however a discussion I did not get a chance to initiate on ‘another blog’.
    I know many Syrian brothers and sisters here in the UAE, and get to see a lot more of them than they must see in the UK. There are good Muslims and bad Muslims in Syria just as there are in Pakistan. Syria has always been more ‘modern’ than Pakistan, and Syrian media was always more fashionable than Pakistan media.

    The great thing about Syria, like most of the rest of Arab world, is that they are miles away from Shirk; and this has a lot to do with the fact that they are not as ignorant about the Quran as we are in Pakistan/India, and a lot to do with the fact that they speak and live the language of Arabic. Viewed in this light, Syria is as good an option as a place in GCC is, or any other part of the Arab Muslim world. I have already discussed this aspect in an earlier post which incidently was a CGL on one of Irhabiyah’s posts. But then the responsibility to educate our masses falls back on us, the ones Allah has blessed with Tawheed, and the ones who can talk to our fellow-country-men in their language, and the realization of this responsibility also comes through patriotism.

    They are both young, however, and have formed their opinions based on Islamic thought process, which I respect and admire in them, while working with limited data. As the data expands, as they meet more people, so will their opinions evolve.


  6. 6Irhabiyah
    August 24th, 2006 at 5:16 pm

    Salaam

    It is interesting, that from a light hearted rant from me, has caused a lot of people to take offence – apologies to those it has.

    You seem to think that I suffer from an identity crisis (confused kid?). Maybe so a few years ago, when Islaam didn’t play a role in my life, but today, I don’t care what country I was born in and what country my parents were born it, to me my identity is clear – Muslim.

    Why shall I love a single country more that another.This is all Allah’s land and Islaam recognises no borders.

    And Knicq, nah I don’t have a utopian view of Syria. I’m not stupid enough to think that Syria is a perfect country and THE place to make hijrah, though I think it much better than Pakistan. The other sister on my blog was referring to an earlier post, where I mentioned Syria, more by passing than my love for that country. I would like to live in a good Islamic environment, that could be anywhere in the Muslim world, maybe even Pakistan – u never no… :)


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